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By Tom Siegfried

Web edition: February 20, 2013

Science is not a democracy. Nature’s laws are not subject to the whims of popular vote. A scientific theory succeeds by providing logical explanations for puzzling phenomena and making correct predictions about the outcomes of new experiments. It doesn’t matter how many scientists believed in the theory beforehand (or even afterward, for that matter).

In fact, revolutionary new theories are seldom very popular. As Max Planck, the founder of quantum theory, once noted, sometimes a theory doesn’t get widely accepted until its opponents die. Nevertheless, in certain scientific matters it’s worth knowing what most experts think. Sometimes the math is clear, and experimental results indisputable, but their implications are charged with ideological controversy. Mainstream expert judgment on such matters usually offers a better path to wisdom than wishful thinking based on philosophical predisposition.

Yes, all the above could be alluding to climate change. But quantum mechanics, the math of the microworld, is more fun and less likely to elicit hate mail. And a new paper has provided actual data about what mainstream quantum physicists think about how to interpret their math.

It’s curious. It has been more than 80 years since the mathematical framework of quantum mechanics was formulated. It has been about three decades since the first modern experiments confirmed the most outrageous consequences of quantum math. Yet physicists still argue about it, some contending that the onetime consensus interpretation (named for Copenhagen, where the Danish physicist Niels Bohr developed it), should be abandoned. But apparently the Copenhagen interpretation still gets more support from experts than any of the alternatives.

It’s not easy to concisely describe the Copenhagen interpretation, but it essentially contends that reality at the atomic level is ill defined. An electron has no actual “real” position, for instance, until a measurement determines where it is. And its location cannot be predicted precisely — you can compute only probabilities for where it will be. Electrons can be either waves or particles depending on the nature of the experimental apparatus used to observe them. In other words, for some things in the subatomic world there’s no preexisting objective reality independent of observation. Or something like that.

Einstein rejected these ideas, proclaiming that God doesn’t play dice and that the moon exists whether or not a mouse is looking at it. But he didn’t have much of a case. At a conference of quantum physicists (plus a few philosophers and mathematicians) held last year, 64 percent of 33 respondents to a questionnaire declared that Einstein was wrong. None said he was correct. A few suggested he might turn out to be right someday, and others said “we’ll just have to wait and see.”

As for Bohr’s views, 27 percent said he was wrong, 30 percent said he was correct or ultimately would be and 30 percent voted for waiting and seeing. When asked to name their favorite interpretation, 42 percent said Copenhagen, far more than any of the other choices.

And 64 percent of the respondents concurred with the statement that randomness is a fundamental concept in nature, about half agreeing that randomness is irreducible — there is, in other words, no way to explain reality without it.

One proposal to eliminate God’s dice throwing, known as Bohmian quantum mechanics for the physicist David Bohm, was preferred by no one.

Another interpretation, championed by some experts, is the many worlds interpretation. An observation doesn’t fix an electron’s position from among multiple possibilities, this view holds. Rather an observation sends the observer off into one branch of the universe corresponding to one result, while all the other possibilities are equally real in other branches. This interpretation got 18 percent of the votes in the survey, conducted by physicists Maximilian Schlosshauer, Johannes Kofler and Anton Zeilinger and reported recently in a paper online at arXiv.org.

Of course, such surveys are mostly just for fun — the views of a particular group of experts at one conference don’t necessarily reflect the entire quantum physics community. What’s more interesting than the numerical results is their diversity. Quantum physics remains, after decades of debate, one of the most baffling theories science has ever produced. Knowledgeable people cannot agree on what to make of it. They can’t even agree on whether it matters to agree. (A favorite slogan of many physicists encountering such discussions is “shut up and calculate.”)

But it appears that the arguments have in fact been fruitful. Efforts to probe the foundations of quantum physics beginning about three decades ago produced a new strain of quantum research called quantum information theory. It has not only illuminated quantum philosophy but has also led to potential practical applications, from crack-proof secret codes to powerful new breeds of computers and communications systems.

So it’s probably good for quantum people to continue probing their discipline’s foundation. They might uncover some new inventions, or dig up some fuel for even more controversy.

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M. Schlosshauer et al. A Snapshot of Foundational Attitudes Toward Quantum Mechanics. arXiv.org. Posted January 6, 2013. [Go to]

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  • Current physical models (and associated math) are only an approximation to reality. For example, many phenomena in nature are nonlinear, but our math is lacking in this area.

    Quantum mechanics evolved out of attempts to find the detailed equation of motion of an electron in the vicinity of a proton. It was not possible to find such an equation. The best quantum mechanics can do is provide statistical averages.

    It is probably not productive to conclude that, since our math is only powerful enough to provide gross statistical estimates of the properties of particles, that these statistical estimates are physical reality.

    From the standpoint of an electron, there is no "wave/particle duality": An electron is whatever it is, but we can perceive only certain aspects of it, depending on our instrumentation. Our (imprecise) mathematics imposes this duality.

    To replace quantum mechanics with "quantum information theory" seems to replace one statistical theory with another. More research on the fundamental aspects of physical reality should be done.
    Edgar Lynk Edgar Lynk
    Feb. 21, 2013 at 5:36pm
  • maybe the electron does not orbit a nucleus as you think of a particle whizzing around. suppose it ...the charge field ... pulses three dimemsionally .always showing a negative charge .. because as magnetics flips at end of each pulse ...in or out. ... so too does the direction flip.
    if mag field is aligned in one way we get negative electron.... same thing but with mag field opposite we get positive ...or positron.
    all the energy needed to whizz is wasred ...it would be easier to pulse ..expansion ... contraction . in ...out.. no position .no whizzzing .
    just a simple 3D radial movement
    at some point it can accept or eject energy ... photon...
    all things at all places are in contact with all other things at alll other places. radiation come and go in all directions .everything is connected.
    not isolated.
    robert price robert price
    Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:52pm
  • Imagine moving beyond the observable universe. We reach the edge. We continue to travel at a distance that at least matches the span of the universe that we traveled so far. Travel another infinity or two. Now look back at our universe. It would act like in the same bizarre fashion as we now imagine the quantum world. Explosion of galaxies would seem random, movement could not be predicted because of the DISTANCE from the events. Therefore, what we are NOT seeing are all the interacting elements because the quanta is even much smaller than we imagine. Once we zoom in closer the Quantum world becomes observable and therefore predictable. The laws of physics may govern the small world. That we don't know. But, what we would know is that DISTANCE from all the elements within the Quantum is the current culprit that defies logic, as the INFINITESIMAL takes on a new meaning.
    Miguel  Gallegos Miguel Gallegos
    Feb. 23, 2013 at 7:34am
  • Good article on a difficult subject.

    What a strange turn of events that no one really understands what is the most accurate theory of reality that humanity has ever described.

    For whatever it is worth (not much) I've always favored the Copenhagen interpretation. It seems to me that the Many Worlds interpretation is unlikely because it requires you to believe in an infinite number of other universes that you can't access and that you can't prove are even there. Just how are these other universes different from imagionary universes?

    As near as I can tell the objection to the Copenhagen interpretation is that it requires a conscious observer. It seems to give consciousness a priviledged position in the universe. I can see why a lot of people object to that.
    Marty Marty
    Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:58am
  • Quantum mechanics might not be confusing at all. If you split the entire universe into the physical universe and infinite separate mental parallel universes, the wave collapse might be explainable as where all the universes meet in the quantum field. Matter and antimatter is created in this wave collapse, and that gives us the reality we observe. Se more by googling crestroy
    Otto Krog Otto Krog
    Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:58am
  • It's strange how consensus plays no role in science. Unless we're talking about "global warming" of course. Fortunately, quantum mechanics has not been politicized.

    Einstein was right. The Copenhagen Interpretation is wrong. There is mounting evidence against the Copenhagen Interpretation. For example, see Carver Meade's excellent little book "Collective Electrodynamics". Meade gives a great explanation of what the wave function actually is (accumulated phase) and what happens when an electron makes a transition to a different energy state. Examples of quantum phenomena on a macroscopic scale abound (superconductivity, laser light, for example), both of which contradict the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

    I would strongly advise everyone not to just "shut up and calculate". And for heaven's sake, learn to ignore the consensus.
    Jerry Malone Jerry Malone
    Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:58am
  • The Uncertainty Principle remains rigid; one cannot determine simultaneously the position and the momentum of a particle. However, there is no barrier to knowing these AFTERWARDS. I'd submit that the Bohr "Copenhagen interpretation" has been an unfortunate historical mistake. If one posits that the electron is always a particle with defined, but unknowable, position and momentum, it follows that location itself has to be variable. Position can instantaneously change, along with an electron in it. Wave functions are, of course, quite real, but they are functions of the space around a mass such as an atomic nucleus; not of the electron itself. This was David Bohm's explanation, which according to the article isn't accepted by anyone in the Physics community: the momentary path of an electron is selected for it, just as subway trains follow their tracks.

    A black hole, with spin, and with a mass of billions of times the range of stars, must surely have large effects on the structure of space. Newton saw, long ago, that space had to have structure defining the absence of rotation, relative to the "fixed stars". If this structure can be changed, by a spinning black hole, this is explains the anomalously higher circular motion of stars on the periphery of galaxies, and does not require "dark matter".
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    Note for Tom Siegfried: I am just a poor Chemistry Professor (emeritus). not a learned Physicist, so my comprehension of Einstein's equations is incomplete, I am sure. As far as I can tell, a rotating mass has to produce a circular distortion of space. Perhaps quantum mechanics will turn out to be a consequence of relativity theory, not in conflict with it.
    Neil McKelvie Neil McKelvie
    Feb. 25, 2013 at 11:58am
  • Einstein's objection comes closest to addressing what has remained the single biggest conceptual obstacle that has plagued quantum mechanics these last 80 years. That is the unwarrented importance placed on a particular observer - especially one putatively invested with 'consciousness' - on the question of whether the Moon exists whether or not a mouse sees it. The fact of the matter is that a thing exists if anything - that is not anthing in particular - interacts with it. The common mistake that theorists claim to focus specifically on an ideally isolated system in order to justify the sweeping assertion that 'for such-and-such' observer, the object in question does or doesn't exist or its suspended in some kind of superposed twilight zone state 'between' the two FOR the particular observer before the object is interacted with by it ironically ignores the 'real' world in which situations in such idealized thought experiments featuring isolated systems simply do not exist. It doesn't matter that the Moon may or may not exist to the consciousness of a particular mouse, considering that the Moon interacts with the mouse and the mouse's environment (which it is presumed it must be inextricably forced to interact with) via a multitude of pathways (gravitational tides, neutrino emission from some radioactive lunar minerals, etc, not to mention the quantum entanglement between all the contents of the universe as a necessary product of the big bang). The issue rapidly becomes ridiculous when one condenses it in the form of this dichotomy: either everything down to each and every quanta is a 'conscious observer', or the whole concept of consciousness is little more than a means of elevating the self-importance and pride of particular large-brained bipeds standing in front of a chalkboard who imagine that by virtue of their special talent in 'consciousness' that distinguishes them from all other things inanimate, they have a monopoly on observership.
    Adolf Schaller Adolf Schaller
    Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:25am
  • Once again, I recommend you read "Collective Electrodynamics" by Carver Mead.

    Example: a beam of laser light. Each photon leaving the laser has exactly the same energy and the same phase.
    Jerry Malone Jerry Malone
    Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:25am
  • Tom Seifried is quite right that "science is not a democracy", but I don't think I can agree that "in certain scientific matters its worth knowing what most experts think". In this case, the scientific matter is the interpretation of the quantum formalism. This sort of polling is commonplace whenever quantum physicists gather for a conference. What may be surprising however is that the result Tom reports is fairly typical. When asked about the Copenhagen interpretation, approximately one-third are "fer it", one-third are "agin it" and as for the remaining one-third, its "whatever the rest think". I don't mean to belittle the professionals for their apparent lack of concern for metaphysical speculation, for I am well aware that the wave of Positivism that swept the physics community in the first half of the 20th century still influences today the thinking of physicists on the question of what is and what is not science. Granted metaphysical speculation that gives rise to untestable theories is to be frowned upon, but not all such speculation is unproductive. Einstein's 1905 paper, "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", was an excellent bit of metaphysical speculation and provided us with a testable theory.
    Granted the development of the quantum formalism that has allowed physicists to make amazingly accurate experimental predictions is truly astounding. But I for one still hold to the hope that science will provide us with a better understanding of reality and that the human intellect is up to the task of comprehending it. But yet I have found no better understanding of reality in the differential equations of Schrodinger's wave mechanics, or the matrix algebra of Heisenberg, nor even the Bra-kets of Dirac, then was given by Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein. The latter may have been wrong about many things, but they provided us with ordinary language descriptions of realities that we could not directly perceive, e.g. inertia, electromagnetic waves, curved space etc., and made these concepts comprehensible to anyone who cared to learn.
    Granted providing an ordinary language description of the quantum realm is a daunting task, particularly if we start with many of the core concepts that have become commonplace. Concepts like wave-particle duality, (is it wave AND particle or wave OR particle?), electron orbits that are not REALLY orbits, spinning particles that aren't REALLY spinning, at least not like a spinning top, or holes created in a shell which are not REALLY holes, but a positive charge where a negative charge used to be. I guess the claims of the Copenhagen interpretation would have to seem a little strange based on such concepts. If we've learned anything, it should be that quantum particles are not at all like classical particles nor can they be adequately explained with classical wave theory. Bohr's complementarity principle does nothing to resolve this dilemma. But I am afraid that until we have a better idea of what we are dealing with, we will be stuck with a formalism whose physical meaning eludes us and an interpretation that gives rise to such claims as "an electron has no real position until a measurement is made ... its location cannot be predicted exactly, we can only compute probabilities ... electrons can be waves or particles depending on the experimental apparatus used to observe them, or finally, "in the subatomic world there's no preexisting objective reality independent of observation". If Physicists are not willing to change their slogan from "shut up and calculate" to "stop calculating and start talking", the interpretation of quantum mechanics will be left to writers of science fiction and to those popular writers who love to propound mysteries and paradoxes.

    Robert Meckley
    Robert Meckley Robert Meckley
    Feb. 26, 2013 at 10:30am
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